LOCAL GOVERNMENT BY-ELECTION 29 NOVEMBER 2012
Uig and North Lochs
Declaration of Results
The Percentage Poll was 40.88%. There were 1013 valid ballot papers and 14 rejected ballot papers. The quota of votes for a candidate to be elected is 508.
Les Mac an Ultaigh 73
John Norman Macdonald 195
Angus Macdonald Morrison 745
Congratulations to the new Cllr. Morrison, I wonder if any of the SNP circus who came along today expecting a Klingon victory will learn any lessons from losing a seat so comprehensively? When will they realise that we, Guardians of Scotland’s Future, hold them and their ways in utter contempt? Ray was there, ashenfaced amongst the crestfallen crew, along with the MSP, who obviously has not much to do for his constituents when he can pass his time in such idle pursuits.
Where`s the shock ?
SNP are on the way out both at home and in Hollyrood. Good Riddance Too!!
Well done Angus. You were the only candidate to canvas me. The SNP mob drove past my house when campaigning in the villiage and apparently didnt go to every house!!
Monkey, who let you out your cage, and how do you know so much? Rae was there indeed, so was the MSP, but no sign of Manford, unless he has had a close shave. Dont celebrate too much, and beware the Guardians and their black ops. We will prevail in the long run, and Scotland will be free, but not with this lot, their queen, their pound, their nato and their foreign bases on our soil. Only relief is that the Klingon is gone!
It’s easy, Lochie, I read your own post on another thread, added a wee bit of leg pulling, and there you have it! Manford had the good sense to stay at home, so did our other man the MP. Are you quite sure the MSP was there?
A cautionary note to Lochie-
I know a former colleague of mine who now works at the european parliament. He tells me that the Germans are wanting the United Kingdom to fragment into its nation parts so as to further boost the german economy which has flourished since the euro was created in the year 2000.
With the contracture of the economies of Greece, Italy, Spain, Ireland etc… It is the german economy that is benefiting and thus so far escaped the crisis that is currently engulfing the eurozone.
If Scotland were Independent, you would witness this same effect happening here.
I might be wrong, but is that a 65% swing against the SNP?
James 44, I care not a hoot for what you say, good luck to the Germans, I would rather be dirt poor in a free Scotland than be bound by the shackles of a foreign oppressor as we have now. I am afraid Salmond is not the man to lead us, he is as devious and yellow as the rest of the well fed tribe, and I want us to have nothing whatever to do with Europe once we are free and truly independent and not in hock to a welfare system that encourages sloth and hangers on who should be in gainful employment.
Well Lochie, do you believe that an independent scotland can sustain itself with its public to private sector ratio at aroud 60:40?
and with regards to your ‘Foreign oppressor’ remark- I studied british history during my university days, that remark is careless.
You along with many nationalists have a ‘victim’ complex, seeing all of Scotlands woes as being ‘Englands fault’.
History tells us that mindset can lead us down an uncertain path.
Seems to me the Council is made up now by 4 parties – SNP, Independant (Labour), Independant (Free Church) and Independant (Gangsters). What hope have we now.
James 44, what makes you think we would continue to pay for a bloated public sector when we get independence? The sooner we can have people working for a living and not sponging off the public purse the better. Bring back the days of simple, pure Nationalism- Winnie, Donald, Margo, and do away with the wishy washy Edinburgh set and the public school boys and failed businessmen who run the local show so badly. I should have been celebrating our National Day instead of crying in my malt.
Where are the Cybernats??? Are they out celebrating a famous defeat and a 65% swing against them ? If this swing was repeated at a Holyrood election they would all be oot of a job, the Barra SAC would be binned, and we would have a decent ferry service!
@Lochie: with you totally. If only we could prevent all the career politicians of every party every getting the first foot on the ladder. I think we aspire to the same end, but are very worried about those might be taking us there.
AB ( not the MP), thanks for that, I know a lot of people in Lochs who agree with us, probably a good number of the 745. Unlike Pentland, I had the SNP mob visit me a few weekends ago- including the MP! Imagine the cheek, someone that I pay my taxes for, coming round asking me to vote for a Klingon ( now Klingoff!) I told him no way, and advised him to go to the jungle with that other tory oosheach!
I am a Lochie and have voted SNP ALL MY LIFE I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE TWO POINTS=FIRST THERE IS NO WAY i WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR A CANDIDATE OUTWITH MY AREA EVEN IF HE WAS SNPDid the SNP really think this guy would or could relace Bill?Secondly at a local elaction I would vote for the man/woman I believed to be the best persun to represent me Thus no matter what party the late Bill Houston was I would have and did vote for him.Many many people here did the same.If the SNP wanted to keep this ward they should have chosen a local person.
Spot on Polly, these guys are so out of touch that they think that because you are on a list in their office that you will vote for them no matter how hopeless their candidate is. I have told them often to take my name off, but still the telephone calls and shuffling, mumbling visits persist. I have told them countless times how disappointed I am with them- when I think that less than 20 years ago the branch was going to conference to pass motions to get rid of the queen, my heart weeps. Now go and put the kettle on.
I Wonder where Social Fairness, Gugug, Pavlov, Sammy and the Junkie has gone, is he nursing a very big sore heid? The Great Strategist fails once again, but who will the he blame this time, and who will he instruct Manford to investigate?
Awfu’ quiet on here………..!
Being from the other side of the ward, can anyone tell me what our new councilors views on the schools are? I think he will just go with the flow and do as he is told.
Congratulations to C’llor Angus Macdonald Morrison, commanding such a large majority
Why was the MP not there? Twittering again?
The MP had the good sense to head for Barra to tend to his flock down here, the wisest decision of his political career, to stay away from what was by all accounts an SNP meltdown!
Monkey – is that the wooly flock or the brown-nose purblind flock?
What under the sun is this “Twittering” lark? Does that make a twitterer a “T–t”?
Steady now, steady, AB (Not the MP), only the wooly variety, as far as I know. Given that most of the SNP support used to be in presbyterian Lewis, you guys have only yourselves to blame. As for the “twittering”, I am speechless…….
Lochie seems to be the only person speeking sense, Scottish Not British!
JWAYNE, how dare you call me Scottish. I am Lochie first, a Leodhsach second, also a proud Gael and Highlander. I have nothing in common with the cold East Coasters and the Edinburgh set which makes up the current SNP, locally and nationally..
Re – Monkey Subsidy
Surely the MP should have been there. He’s paid to take responsibility for both failure and success.
However, he seems to think ‘twittering’ is the most important aspect of the job.
Leave the MP to his twittering, he cannot possibly do any damage indulging in that self absorbed pass time. Anyway RT, I think the MP would agree with me that we should try to find an island solution to our problems, same as he advocated for our fellow islanders in Orkney and Shetland, its our wind after all.
Re – Lochie
You could twitter and ask him if that’s the case.
For once, it might force him to do something that’s relevant to his full-time job.
I think the SNP made a grave mistake in not choosing a local candidate, I know for certain it was Rae’s decision to put Orica forward for the ward over Annie,
Rae clearly lacks the vision to take the SNP forward…..
I am disgusted at the way the SNP treat people with utter contempt, to even think that Orica would have a chance at winning is real bad judgement by the SNP big wigs…..
Clearly they have lost alot of support since the May elections this year, and I assume the next couple of elections they will take hammering…..
Rae’s attempt to play political mind games with the budget cuts just shows a petty the man is…..Just one question to you Rae;
What would you cut to save money ? Saying you would keep everyting is just fantasy…..The budget has been set by the SNP in Holyrood and all this political posturing is a just way to divert attention from the fact the SNP and you and youre SNP group of “idiots” are doing a bad job…. Why not the SNP group lead the way and take a paycut? You wont do that will you? You wont do something that makes you take a real decsion…..
Also on a different matter the SNP All they have given away for free is Westminister Money ,,,,so thats why they can be smug about giving free prescriptions!
Does someone earning over £15,000 a year really need free medicine?
RT, I wouldn’t “twitter” him, not even with yours, I play with a straight bat!
Billy, you are spot on with your comments, Annie is a decent soul, and she was well regarded here as a good, hard working councilor. I guess she was shoved on the scrap heap because she refused so many times to toe the party line, good on her and shame on the twitterers and public school boys who now rule the roost in Stornoway.
Lochie – with Annie it was quite simply because she got involved with the wrong people
She was encouraged to do so by the twitterers and public schoolboys as their stalking horse, and she paid the price. Imagine standing successfully on an anti-windfarm platform, then when they got in they began to sup with the devils! The SNP has never been the same since they started listening to the bankers (Salmond) the millionaires ( Souter) and the actors with bad accents (Connery). Bring back the old days none of this would have happened. Not so long ago we had 11 good men and true in Westminster and we were heading for true independence, until Salmond and his compromisers ruined our party. Obh obh!
The SNP sat on a wall
The SNP had a great fall
The SNP have had their day
The SNP have all run away
The SNP now fully understand
That these islands are LABOUR Land
These clowns think they are something special but don’t understand that these have been and always will be LABOUR. Angus Morrison is a model to us all. A respected Church Man and a great Labour Man. He will be well guided by Dokus who has served us well for years. This is a victory against independence. I hear that 7 people have left the Nats since they lost. Only idiots don’t see that the union is the best policy ever. Better together stronger together protected together.
Mr Union, I do believe you are wrong, there is not much evidence in the last 50 years that the islands are Labour, you sound like my son in law, who has converted to Labour since the last time, but worse than that he has brainwashed my own daughter! How I long for the past when Donald was our MP for a quarter of a century, and how I used to look forward to seeing him in the summer on his holidays from London. I could meet him any morning I liked and share a joke outside his constituency office at Roddy Smith, me enjoying a fat roll up and him on the bogie roll, before the clowns banned smoking altogether. What a time we had, and how he used to pull my leg about all the letters I used to write him, and not a one unanswered.
“Dear Lochie,
Thank you for your latest letter of the “date” inst. regarding your suibhear. I will raise the issue in the Parliament at the first earliest opportunity,
Yours aye,
Till we meet again,
Domhnull”
I kept all the replies, but unfortunately I threw away my own letters in a fit of rage when they gave the millionaires free busses and prescriptions for who knows what. I suppose I could sell the replies, all with the green upside down gate, signed and all, with the proper Parliament stamp on them.
I will ask my son in law to put them on the electronic net to sell, perhaps they should go in the SNP museum?
I believe the current lot are good at the pen also, but they have the advantage of the electronic mail and Hebrew News.
Lochie you live in the past if you want, that nutter Stewart only borrowed the seat.
Aye Rich Tea, twittering is alright for some, especially for those who tend to mangle the English language whatever the medium. Right now our concerns down here are our inadequate broadband, our inadequate Barra ferry service, the lack of the promised Lochboisdale- Mallaig service, the next 50% hike in freight charges further damaging our economy and our ability to compete, the imminent SAC, disproportinate council cuts, and last but not least representatives who put the interests of the SNP before the interests of the people they are supposed to represent. Watch the fight to retain the expensive and underused air link to Benbecula because it is convenient for the MP to scuttle off to London, and the mute response to the calls to oppose the huge hike in freight charges.
Paul/Lochie – Annie go dumped for being pro-renewables which is SNP policy. The Lewis Branch is still solidly anti-windfarm and they bite their tongues when the two Yesmen do as they are told and try to appear pro-wind as it is again SNP policy.
Ray is the very man who tried to force the SNP Councillors to vote against the windfarms even after being told that was an illegal act for the Councillors.
And there Ray sits, carrying the orders from the absent placemen to the SNP Group and telling poor Donald how it is. Whilst Kenny slyly makes notes and reports back any crimethink to his paymasters.
I think Donald Manford has little or no say in how SNP matters are run by Rae up in the Lewis,,,,,yes Donald does come up with cunning ideas and thats about it, ultimately it’s Rae as Chairman of the Local branch that dictates Local SNP policy…..how on earth they chose Orica to stand in Lochs has still left me in shock…..totally disgusted with Rae and his group of idiots…..
Having attended several meetings I can say its only Kenny that has common sense amongst them…..the rest just say yes to whatever Rae dictates…
In a way i am glad their attempt to take-over the council in the May elections failed miserably….I have heard many of the candidates that stood in May have left the party , disgusted as to the way the campaign was tarnished by a so called SNP “Big Man”
Angus B (Not the MP), so tell me something new, the end justifies the means, and if that means conning the electorate, so be it.
I remember years ago arguing vehemently with Donald about RET, and I told him it would be an absolute disaster, leading to supermarkets and other cheap trash and plastic furniture coming in thick and fast, with our own boys unable to compete on a level playing field, ( although none of our playing fields were level in those days). Donald took a long sly suck on his pipe and said “Ist, stop your meurlaich a bhalaich”, (the Gaelic not being his strong point), it will never happen, the end justifies the means!” And then I knew what he meant!
Imagine my anger when we got what they call RET from the SNP, and everything I said came to pass and worse, but thankfully they are now going to put the price of freight up again and in a few years we will be worse off than we were before. Result says I, we have to make sure things are really bad before we win the final battle, but too late for the referendum, which that smug marag Salmond doesn’t want to win anyway.
And now we are expected to keep alive on avacados and frozen spagetti, and bread so old it toasts itself.
Fortunately a few of the boys keep me supplied with real food, poached salmon, venison, liuth and smallagan, all of which take to salt like a fish to water. A slab of salt ling, my own kerrs pink ( I peel them, cant stand the pinkos), washed down with a slug of greek yoghurt to remind me of thick milk will keep my metabolism going til the New Year, a proper Lochie celebration, not like christmas which we got in along with ro-ro ferries and RET.
Put that in your pipes and smoke it, AB and Union ( and don’t get me started on the unions that brought Stickies’ to its knees)
Labour should get Angus Morrison and Calum Iain to stand against the Msp and MP. That would get rid of the SNP for once and for all. Labour rules these islands.
Mr. Union, grow up, get up off your knees, and stop the forelock tugging. And let’s hope that your IQ will eventually be greater than your shoe size.
Re – Billy
I think you’re wrong in blaming Rae for the actions of the group.
Surely, the MP and MSP are paid big salaries for their role in the political life of the Western Isles. With that cash comes responsibility. Unfortunately they seem only to like the PR aspects of the job.
You wait Guga and see Angus Morrison will be one of the best councillors we have ever had. Look at the job Calum Iain is doing. You tell me who would be better.
Re- Rich Tea
Where u there at the meeting when Orica was chosen as the SNP candidate for Lochs?
Did you know that Annie had passed a message to Rae saying ” She would stand if there were no other candidates standing from the SNP”?— considering their was no other local SNP candidate from Lochs, Rae lacked judgement in putting forward Orica over Annie to stand in that ward…
Did you know when the vote to decide the SNP candidate was taken that Annie had told Rae she HAD to attend a Local Lochs Community meeting that night and instead of holding the SNP vote to chose their candidate on another day – Rae chose as Chairman of the local SNP Branch decided to go ahead with the vote without giving Annie the chance to attend the meeting and be given the chance to be nominated from her own party?
I think one viable SNP candidate from the ward would of won, the SNP split their own vote in the May elections, so in this election with only one “LOCAL” SNP candiadte would of easily have achived around 500 votes. Credit to Angus Morrison for thumping the SNP with over 700 votes. However I am sure if a Local SNP candidate was chosen then Angus would of have had tighter race and might of even lost…
“Rich Tea” – Have you attended any SNP meetings? You are more likely to see Angus Brendan’s ghost at the SNP branch meeting than you are to see him in the flesh…
Therefore in my opinion Rich Tea , the blames lies with Rae. He had a choice and he made the wrong one. The SNP group is run by only 2 or 3 people, The rest just go along with the play that is scripted by Rae.
Re – Billy
‘Have you attended any SNP meetings? You are more likely to see Angus Brendan’s ghost at the SNP branch meeting than you are to see him in the flesh…’
And that’s exactly the problem, Billy. In most constituencies, the elected representative would attend such meetings on a regular basis.
The very fact that he does not do so doesn’t change the fact that he has some responsibility in this matter.
Re- Rich Tea
I am not defending Angus Brendan, but as elected representative for the western isles to westminister I would think choosing a Local SNP candidate would not be a priority for him.
Thats why they have a Local SNP branch, chaired by Rae. They make the local decisions. Thats why I am blaming Rae for pushing Annie out of a second chance in standing for the SNP in the Lochs ward.
Yes i agree with you that most elected representatives would attend, but that does not take away the blame lying at Rae’s doorstep for choosing the wrong candidate….
Re – Billy
But keeping a finger on the pulse is a priority for any grown-up, professional Member of Parliament. The fact that you claim that he is never seen in the flesh at local SNP branch meetings says much about his attitude to both his job and constituency. As you admit, most elected representatives would attend.
At the end of the day, the buck stops with him and Dr Allan.
Not Rae!
This is absolutely priceless, we have one one hand that buffoon subsidy saying “with the MSP, who obviously has not much to do for his constituents when he can pass his time in such idle pursuits.” and his half wit unionista gimp Rich tea saying “Surely the MP should have been there. He’s paid to take responsibility for both failure and success” Maybe all the SNP folk should stand as “independents” next time, seems par for the course anyway.
Think you’ll find most MPs attend branch meetings … I can’t understand why AB should be an exception.
Perhaps you can explain why this is the case.
Just as you should explain what on eartth you’re saying above. Utterly indecipherable, idiotic guff!
Who cares what the SNP and the MP do at these meetings. What we need is to get rid of them. Labor should be getting there man ready for the election. This is going to be easy peasy.
Aologies posh boy, I know that was probably a lot for you to take in, but might I suggest that your Anti SNP chums get together to get the line of attack more unified, rather than the Buffoon saying one thing and the Monkey contradicting you, there’s a good chap. I take it Mr Union is related to you also? Hahaha
Nice to have you back Junkie, you must have had one terrific hangover from last Friday, but unfortunately your enforced rest has taught you nothing, and it goes without saying that you could not possibly be to blame for such a comprehensive drubbing. Face facts Junkie, the tide is turning against you, and even august and venerable organisations like the Stornoway Port Authority are now openly critical, following the lead of the Ardbhionais Port Board. People like you frighten potential supporters away, and sooner or later the penny will drop with the MP and MSP
I fully agree with you Subsidy Junkie that all the SNP folk should stand as “independents” next time as we used to when Donald, Ray, John the Barber and Sunny Jim used to rule the roost and lead us round the pole, them were the days, meetings all day and all night in the Crit, none of your posh County or Lanntair set for us. In fact I used to enjoy it so much that I lost my lisense for the third time when my morris minor failed to negotiate creag a bhodaich. Fortunately Donald was on the bench and I got off with three years, reduced to three months with a nod and a wink. Not like nowadays when that Wedgie snob took my car off me, still with three weeks to go on the MOT. It wouldnt surprise me if he was a pinko. The sooner me and you Subsidy Junkie claim back our party the better, and stop them banning fags and hiking the price of my tipple to pay for the fourth Forth crossing. Fortunately the boys round about me here will soon start appearing with their plastic bags (soon to be banned) and start filling up my glass to the brim, so much so that I decant into old McNinch bottles in my shed and when they are full the pigi is sometimes called into service to take the overspill. I might not do that this year, since I got a big clot of cloimh liath from it in my night cap a few months ago, and I thought it put a slight cheesy taste on the water of life. I will be going onto night shift soon for the next six weeks so that I can keep the light and fire on all night for them and put up with their nonsense.
Anyway Subsidy Junkie, if you are passing by you are most welcome to pop in so that we can chew the fat, but dont bring Lulu or the MP. And watch them blighters, Monkeys, Unionists and always give your Rich Tea a good dunking.
Now that I have had my toddy and had time to reflect, Ray was never there, it must have been someone else from Manor Park who never went to public school. Ray of course came later, and there was talk of sending him off to London after Donald, but there was an imported public schoolboy from away with a strangulated accent and little Gaelic, and that was when the rot set in.
Again, apologies Buffoon, what do I need to be taught, and what tide is turning against me? The SPA are now openly critical of the SNP, would that be the Port authority with the deposed Labour MSP and the founder of the OHCG on its board? Yes it is strange that they would be critical of the SNP. “People like you frighten potential supporters away” what, potential supporters like you? Anyway here is a question for you, what plans have your Labour party got to make the Western Isles a better place to live?
This should be good……
Re- Rich Tea
You have too many cups of tea and are now just a soggy old biscuit,
your comment;
“At the end of the day, the buck stops with him and Dr Allan.
Not Rae!”
You forget in which context I am laying the blame at Rae’s feet for the SNP defeat in Lochs,
It was Rae as Chairman of the Local SNP branch that put Orica forward. no one else, it was Rae as Chairman of the SNP that squeezed Annie out of a second chance at standing in Lochs as a SNP candidate— please read my earlier blogs, as my eye witness view will clarify how events unfolded.
Rich Tea go and put yourself back in your wrapper….Your defense of Rae suggest you are very close to the man….
Junkie- the tide of public opinion.
Well done monkey, now have a go at answering the bigger question – what plans have your Labour party got to make the Western Isles a better place to live? I am sure that you can fit your answer on the Higgs Boson.
I am sure that the answer will not be to impose a 50% hike in ferry fares each year, to impose an SAC on us, to continue with a 19th century ferry service, to deny a Lochboisdale- Mallaig ferry service, to impose punitive and un- necessary cuts on the council, to squirrel away money in a referendum war chest and so on. All in all, bigger than a Higgs boson; which in turn, outweighs any grey matter you can access.
It is absolutely fascinating that your Labour party will if they ever get back into office, will reintroduce prescription charges, bring back tuition fees – most lkely £9000 a year, like their bosses in London imposed, we will see a huge hike in council tax because they are all “freebies”, but yet you seem to think a new ferry for Uist and to give pocket money to the hauliers is not out of the question? Then you go on to write that the Scottish government should not cut the councils budget despite taking a £1,500,000,000,00 slash from our sweetie money from Westminster! They say women are from Venus and men are from Mars – but you are on a different planet altogether. But that aside, you still dodged the question, which shouts the loudest, most.
Junkie, I hear your man Manford on the front line in Barra has gone native in Uist, and that he will finally come out and publicly support the Hebrides Range Task Force and the Missing Link Campaign Group ( get it?) in their efforts to pursuade the SNP to give us the ferry services we deserve in the 21st century, not a service which hasn’t improved on either side of the Sound since the second world war.
Same old, same old Labour/Tory, criticize everything, play the man and refuse to engage the question, I suppose that you guys are led by example.
one day we will be led by leaders,and if you think that sentiment is fanciful,you should read the comments above